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whiteknight
10-19-2008, 11:00 AM
I see way to often people adding new high current circuits to there rigs with no relays to operate the device. This will lead to problems up the road and a unreliable electrical system.
Most aftermarket switches (rocker, toggle micro,etc) can usually only handle a max of a 10 amp load, after that you are causing damage to the switch. The idea behind having a relay installed is to take the heavy current away from the switch. This will allow much smaller gauge wiring to be done under the dash and keeps the heavy gauge high current wires out from under the dash where they do not belong.
An example.
A pair of small fog lights usually draw from 8 to 10 amps. If the lights were only run through a switch, the switch would burn out in a short period of time. By using a relay, you end up moving the heavy current through the relay and not through the switch. A normal 5 terminal relay will only draw about 0.2 to 0.3 of an amp to turn on. so that's only a max of .3 amps that is going through the switch. The switch will last a life time.
You can get relays that can handle a 30 - 80 amp load, very cheaply.

Most general purpose relays have a set of normally open contacts and a set of normally closed contacts and are wired internally as shown in the picture posted below. The two terminals that turn the relay on and off are (85 and 86), The terminal for your main power in is (30), and the terminal for main power out for a normally closed circuit is (87) . If you want a normally open circuit you would use (87A) instead of 87. Some relays reverse the 87 and 87A markings.

When wiring your electrical system. The correct way to wire things like fuel pumps, cooling fans, fog lights, nitrous controls, etc. Is to use a relay to control the circuit. This will save you a lot of grief up the road !

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Mud Hugger
10-19-2008, 03:50 PM
I agree with running relays. But i've run my fan, fuel pump, electric water pump, and ignition. through run o' the mill toggle switches for 6 years with out ever replacing a single one. Do the switches i run have more that a 10amp rating then?

soylent_green
10-19-2008, 04:16 PM
Alot of the switches you see on the shelf at parts stores say they are rated for 30 amps, some of the more beefy metal switches I've found have ratings up to 50 amps. I, like you have run things in the past on cheap plastic toggles and never had a problem, other times, I'll burn through them faster than my 460 burns up a gallon of premium. Nowadays, I like to wire in relays just so I don't have to worry about it, and to keep the big wires out of the cab.

mudtrux
10-19-2008, 09:33 PM
I'm a big user of relays. I grab the GM cooling fan relays and connectors whenever I can from the yard.

Fires suck!

muddyscout
10-19-2008, 09:53 PM
i have always used run o the mill metal toggles and never had a problem

soylent_green
05-03-2009, 09:39 PM
I was asked about this, so I'll bump this thread.

Also found a good easy to follow diagram.
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u72/soylent_green_machine/relay-diagram_small.gif

Ford Mud Slingers
05-04-2009, 06:10 PM
I just installed a 40 amp relay and know I keep blowing the fuse near the battery.
any ideas?????????

soylent_green
05-04-2009, 08:50 PM
What amp fuse did you blow?

If you put in a higher amp fuse, you should make sure the wire is thick enough to handle the current.

Like I mentioned in the PM, you may have to run the two fans on separate circuits.

Ford Mud Slingers
05-04-2009, 08:57 PM
Yea I think im gonna have to run dual relays, crap im running small amp wire for crying out loud

ox_man
05-04-2009, 10:06 PM
10 or 12 gauge wire is your friend

Ford Mud Slingers
05-04-2009, 10:58 PM
the wire is like 8 gauge

ox_man
05-04-2009, 11:08 PM
the wire is like 8 gauge
oh well thats better yet

Ford Mud Slingers
05-05-2009, 09:33 PM
I ran dual relays 1 on each fan and there still blowing the main fuse????

mudtrux
05-05-2009, 09:46 PM
I was asked about this, so I'll bump this thread.

Also found a good easy to follow diagram.
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u72/soylent_green_machine/relay-diagram_small.gif



you may have to run the two fans on separate circuits.


I agree take the power for the relays, that go to the fans, from another source besides the main fused circuit.

Example on your ford solenoid the large lug that goes to the battery,
Run two other FUSED hots to your relay wires.(#30 1n the diagram) and use 2 separate circuits so you can lose 1 and still have the other.

My typing sucks and I can do this better in person or pm me and well get you through this.

HotMudGirl
04-24-2010, 12:04 PM
I like this. Very helpful